I'll tell you what I think Karl, and please don't take offence. I wasn't at all sure ICANN would - or perhaps even should - survive the WSIS process. And I sat through and watched the governments of the world - not to mention a fair few international organisations, companies, individuals, and so on - prod it and poke it and wonder whether it should be pulled apart, or rebuilt, or restructured. And ICANN made it out, winded but still very much alive. And at that point, it suddenly became important that we all get ICANN to work. The reality is that ICANN and its structures and its approach are here to stay at this point in the Internet's history. As such, discussion based around the fantasy that it can be redone any other way is - to my mind at least - all time wasted that could be spent on improving what's there. I realised a week or so ago that one of the biggest things preventing that improvement from happening was people dragging up the past. The Net's not waiting, and ICANN isn't waiting either. You think ICANN should be IANA and only IANA. But it's just not going to happen. ICANN is ICANN. I really hope at some point soon Karl that someone with your talents will say "what the hell" and focus their attention on getting ICANN in the best shape it can be. If you do, I'll be more than willing to do what I can to help. Kieren