Tom, in both cases I was not referrring to anyone in particular. With respect to advocacy groups, it seems to me that they are -- on average -- less willing to compromise on issues than most people, which makes some sense, given that those issues are often their very reason for being. I would point to the recent court nomination fights (both sides) as an example. I should make clear that if there is an exception to that rule in this area, it's CDT, the group mentioned in Susan's post, so I certainly didn't intend to refer to them.